Kim Kardashian showed up on Gwyneth Paltrow’s Goop podcast this week and was asked about whether or not she’d marry again following her divorce from Kanye West.

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Kim revealed that she has a “fantasy” that her potential fourth marriage could be the “charm” and explained that her marriage to Kanye is the only one she considers real.

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“I feel like, honestly, my last marriage was my first real [one],” Kim said, via the Daily Mail. “The first one, I just don’t know what was happening.

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The second one, I felt like I wanted to be married so badly because all my friends were at that place and that’s where I should have been. And I didn’t accept that that just wasn’t where I was and realize that was okay.”

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Kim went on to explain that she would be down with another marriage or with a “forever partnership,” but either way, she is taking her time and wants to be single for a minute.

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“I think I would definitely want a marriage, but I’m so happy to take my time,” she added. “I’m on a good solo mission right now. I have either sisters or friends [who are] all in the same place, and that feels so good and fun.”

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As for having more kids, Kim said “never say never” and that she “would have to have someone in my life for a while in order to make that decision.”

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She added that “embryos are the best way to go” and that “whatever’s meant to be will be.”

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